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	<title>Comments on: The Internet vs. Us: How Browser Wars Affect Our Business</title>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://webiscope.com/2008/09/the-internet-vs-us-how-browser-wars-affect-our-business/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing... 

I host 50+ websites and have checked my stats on the high traffic ones.. as well as the site that I work on for my full-time job...   My stats are MUCH closer to the www.thecounter.com stats than w3schools stats.  FF is running about 8% - 12% on the sites I can access stats from...  so whether my theory of &#039;web geek&#039; statistical slant is correct or not.. the stats of w3schools are definitely not what you would see in a &#039;normal&#039; world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; </p>
<p>I host 50+ websites and have checked my stats on the high traffic ones.. as well as the site that I work on for my full-time job&#8230;   My stats are MUCH closer to the <a href="http://www.thecounter.com">http://www.thecounter.com</a> stats than w3schools stats.  FF is running about 8% &#8211; 12% on the sites I can access stats from&#8230;  so whether my theory of &#8216;web geek&#8217; statistical slant is correct or not.. the stats of w3schools are definitely not what you would see in a &#8216;normal&#8217; world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40% .. maybe in their dreams... 
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2008/August/browser.php

Had this discussion with another web developer the other day over I/M about why the two stats are so different.  We guessed that w3schools.com probably gets their stats from people who visit their site (i.e. &#039;web geeks&#039;) and that web geeks probably use FF more than the general public.

I&#039;ve seen a propensity for us (I include myself in that &#039;web geek&#039; category) to think that if we like it or use it, then it must be the best and that everyone else is in the same ship (hole, bucket, world, page) as us... and if they&#039;re not, then they&#039;re stupid.  Have seen the example many times of someone who has a Mac&#039;s and use Firefox and how they defend themselves to the bitter end because they think they&#039;re far superior to the rest of the &#039;uneducated&#039; universe...

Hard facts are as Blayne mentioned... Windows ships with IE.  As a society we&#039;re lazy.. and if my PC (which is cheaper and more readily accessible - can&#039;t buy a Mac at Walmart - therefore requires less work for me) ships with IE, then I&#039;m (by default) and IE user.

I think it will be a long time before IE dies simply because of the laziness factor of humanity.

Just because something is better doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re going to use it ...  look at how many people drive SUV&#039;s and they&#039;re by no stretch of the imagination economical, affordable, green-friendly, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40% .. maybe in their dreams&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2008/August/browser.php">http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2008/August/browser.php</a></p>
<p>Had this discussion with another web developer the other day over I/M about why the two stats are so different.  We guessed that w3schools.com probably gets their stats from people who visit their site (i.e. &#8216;web geeks&#8217;) and that web geeks probably use FF more than the general public.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a propensity for us (I include myself in that &#8216;web geek&#8217; category) to think that if we like it or use it, then it must be the best and that everyone else is in the same ship (hole, bucket, world, page) as us&#8230; and if they&#8217;re not, then they&#8217;re stupid.  Have seen the example many times of someone who has a Mac&#8217;s and use Firefox and how they defend themselves to the bitter end because they think they&#8217;re far superior to the rest of the &#8216;uneducated&#8217; universe&#8230;</p>
<p>Hard facts are as Blayne mentioned&#8230; Windows ships with IE.  As a society we&#8217;re lazy.. and if my PC (which is cheaper and more readily accessible &#8211; can&#8217;t buy a Mac at Walmart &#8211; therefore requires less work for me) ships with IE, then I&#8217;m (by default) and IE user.</p>
<p>I think it will be a long time before IE dies simply because of the laziness factor of humanity.</p>
<p>Just because something is better doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re going to use it &#8230;  look at how many people drive SUV&#8217;s and they&#8217;re by no stretch of the imagination economical, affordable, green-friendly, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, doesn&#039;t Firefox have more than 40 percent of the marketshare?

August 2008 report from W3 Consortium: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, doesn&#8217;t Firefox have more than 40 percent of the marketshare?</p>
<p>August 2008 report from W3 Consortium: <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Needham</title>
		<link>http://webiscope.com/2008/09/the-internet-vs-us-how-browser-wars-affect-our-business/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tested my (pretty extensive) suite of sites in Chrome and everything comes up as expected so far. Speaking to other developers, I haven&#039;t heard anything negative. As Blayne mentions, Chrome uses WebKit and renders standards-compliant sites predictably.

Not like IE8 that brings a whole new set of &#039;oh shit&#039; moments to the table. Thankfully they&#039;re allowing people to drop back to a &#039;render as IE7&#039; option which saves you building a whole new set of IE8-specific hacks into your pretty CSS.

Not sure how successful Chrome will be in stealing market share from the complacent whatever-came-installed majority but I wish them all the luck in the world. The mythical &#039;cloud&#039; might be looming closer on the horizon than any of us had previously imagined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tested my (pretty extensive) suite of sites in Chrome and everything comes up as expected so far. Speaking to other developers, I haven&#8217;t heard anything negative. As Blayne mentions, Chrome uses WebKit and renders standards-compliant sites predictably.</p>
<p>Not like IE8 that brings a whole new set of &#8216;oh shit&#8217; moments to the table. Thankfully they&#8217;re allowing people to drop back to a &#8216;render as IE7&#8242; option which saves you building a whole new set of IE8-specific hacks into your pretty CSS.</p>
<p>Not sure how successful Chrome will be in stealing market share from the complacent whatever-came-installed majority but I wish them all the luck in the world. The mythical &#8216;cloud&#8217; might be looming closer on the horizon than any of us had previously imagined.</p>
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		<title>By: Blayne Fielder</title>
		<link>http://webiscope.com/2008/09/the-internet-vs-us-how-browser-wars-affect-our-business/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Blayne Fielder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrome is built on the same open-source WebKit engine as Safari, so quirks should be few and far between as long as your site is well designed.

It&#039;s hard to imagine any start-up browser jeopardizing IE&#039;s market share as long as Windows ships with IE as the default browser. On the other hand, you can already see a link to &quot;Download Chrome&quot; on Google.com, which is the single-most visited page in the United States and reaches 30% of the world-wide audience every day. Now that&#039;s some marketing power. 

I wouldn&#039;t doubt the power of Google. Chrome is fast, real fast. Is it any coincidence they have been heavily involved in the mobile platform recently? I&#039;m sure Chrome for your mobile device is coming soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrome is built on the same open-source WebKit engine as Safari, so quirks should be few and far between as long as your site is well designed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine any start-up browser jeopardizing IE&#8217;s market share as long as Windows ships with IE as the default browser. On the other hand, you can already see a link to &#8220;Download Chrome&#8221; on Google.com, which is the single-most visited page in the United States and reaches 30% of the world-wide audience every day. Now that&#8217;s some marketing power. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t doubt the power of Google. Chrome is fast, real fast. Is it any coincidence they have been heavily involved in the mobile platform recently? I&#8217;m sure Chrome for your mobile device is coming soon.</p>
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